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American History with Twinkledru J., part four.
Thus far, I have managed to mock the Spanish, the English, the Irish, Columbus, Ferdinand and Isabella, Philip II, Cortes, Sir Walter Raleigh, Elizabeth I, James I, America (which is really no mean feat, as America as a political entity doesn't exist in the times I've covered so far), Lost, and Mel Gibson.

Today: religion.



So, backing up a little bit again, let's look at the area now known as Germany.

CATHOLIC CHURCH: *is corrupt* HEY YOU! Wanna buy redemption?
MARTIN LUTHER: *95 Theses OMG!* PREDESTINATION 4-EVA YO! ONLY GOD CAN SAVE YOU! OR NOT! IT'S UP TO HIM!
POPE: OMGWTFBBQ?????? *excommunicates*

And thus, Protestantism.

Now, the origins of Anglicanism are different.

HENRY VIII: OMG I want a divorce!
POPE: NO.
HENRY VIII: Screw you too! *creates own church, gets divorced*
ANNE BOLEYN: *points and laughs at Catherine of Aragon*
CATHERINE OF ARAGON: STFU, N00B.

Of course, Catherine of Aragon kinda had the last laugh on that one.

ANNE BOLEYN: *imprisoned, hed iz pastede off yay!*
CATHERINE OF ARAGON: *still rich, daughter has claim to throne before Anne's daughter, and most importantly, hed still pastede on yay!*

The point is, Anglicanism was basically the Catholic Church? Except the King was in charge instead of the Pope, and you could get theoretically get divorced. The basic ideologies were pretty much the same as those of Catholicism, whereas there were a lot more ideological differences between Protestantism and Catholicism.

So Protestantism and Anglicanism are two entirely separate things. Which for those of you in the UK, is likely old news, but for a lot of Americans, it's kinda fuzzy, 'cuz you learn about Henry VIII at the same time as you learn about Martin Luther, and it all kinda tends to get lumped together.

As an interesting note, the Puritans did not consider marriage a sacrament. For those of you paying attention, this means that to the Puritans, modern politics would go something like this.

RELIGIOUS RIGHT: OMG THIS IS A PURITAN COUNTRY AND MARRIAGE IS A SACRAMENT!!!!
PURITANS: *spin so fast in their graves that they could be alternative power resources*

Now Anglicanism was pretty much the norm in England, although after Elizabeth came to the throne, there was, sort of, religious toleration. Sort of. Mostly, this meant that as long as you paid lip service to Anglicanism, you could be Catholic in the privacy of your own home.

Look, it was better than people getting hanged for your religious practices.¹ It was a step in the right direction.

So Anglicanism was big in England, but in parts of Scotland, a form of Protestantism known as Presbyterianism emerged. And this form basically sought to get rid of the influences of Catholicism -- simplicity of churches and design was big, for instance, as opposed to the "decadent" Catholic styles (they wanted to "purify" religion -- hence, Puritans), and there was a bigger emphasis on your personal relationship to God, rather than your relationship to the priest, and his relationship to the bishop, and the bishop's relationship to the Pope, and the Pope's relationship to God. And again, there was generally a belief in predestination -- the idea that it was up to God who went to heaven and who didn't, and it had already been decided, and that was that, whereas the Catholics (and the Anglicans) believed that you could save yourself through good works.

Now, back to Henry VIII's crazy family.

ELIZABETH I: *dies a virgin*

[crickets chirp]

Okay, well, no, let's rephrase that.

ELIZABETH I: *dies with NO HEIR OMG!!!!!*

So her closest relative, King James VI of Scotland, became King James I of England, as well.

Math time!

ENGLAND + SCOTLAND = UNITED KINGDOM OMG!!!!

SCOTTISH PROTESTANTS: *hope James will purify Anglicanism and make it more like Protestantism*
JAMES I: *doesn't*
SCOTTISH PROTESTANTS: WTF. Not cool, man. *pout*

Eventually...

JAMES I: *dies*
CHARLES I: *gets crowned*
SCOTTISH PROTESTANTS: *have a bad feeling about this*
CHARLES I: OMG PROTESTANTS R TEH SUXX0RZ!
WILLIAM LAUD: OMG THEY SO ARE!
CHARLES I: *appoints William Laud as archbishop*
A FEW REALLY EXTREME PROTESTANTS: Goddamnit, England. *take their ball and go to Holland*

Except, see, the problem with going to Holland, they found? Was that their children were growing up TEH DUTCH OMG!!!! And there were two things the Puritans hated: people who were intolerant of other people's religions them, and the Dutch.

So, they did the only reasonable thing.

They got a charter for some land in North America. Specifically, an area that was considered so bad that they'd never be able to survive, and that it wasn't any great loss to the crown or the joint-stock companies to give them the land.

So, actually, when I said that the fundamental principles of America are religious extremism and tobacco? Let's just change that to self-righteousness, 'cuz there's a cultural element to it, as well as religious.

More math!

SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS + TOBACCO = GREATEST COUNTRY EVER OMG!!!!

NEXT TIME: "Squanto takes a musket ball in the stomach": The early days of the Massachusetts colonies.

¹Burning wasn't very common in England, because England didn't have an Inquisition. The majority of people accused of witchcraft were acquitted, and the majority of those convicted weren't killed. The few who were killed were hanged, not burned, because witchcraft wasn't heresy, it was a civic crime. But we'll look at that in more detail when we get to Salem.




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[info]lannamichaels
2005-03-14 07:05 pm UTC (link)
*fangirls* This just gets funnier and funnier. :D

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[info]jennyo
2005-03-14 07:14 pm UTC (link)
*snort* And this just makes me want to do Milton's life.

Milton's wife: *is a bitch*
Milton: Yo, divorce is good. It helps us all. And hey, when a man beats a biznacka, that's not right with Jesus. So we should have divorce for things like that. Also, hey, sometimes girls suck.
Puritans: I don't know what the hell you just said, little boy, but you are SO busted.
Milton: Come on, man! If you had my wife, you would be unhappy, too!
Puritans: You are so going to jail.
Milton: But I'm one of you!
Puritans: *are defeated*
Charles II: You are so going to jail.
Milton: I just wanted to be The Greatest Poet Ever! And to be divorced from my bitch wife! WHY YOU GOTTA HATE!

At least Charles didn't execute the bastard. For which he gets mild props.

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[info]ciara_belle
2005-03-14 07:23 pm UTC (link)
*dies* This is too awesome!

ANNE BOLEYN: *points and laughs at Catherine of Aragon*
CATHERINE OF ARAGON: STFU, N00B.


*giggles*

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[info]arayuldaiel
2005-03-14 07:30 pm UTC (link)
OMG PROTESTANTS R TEH SUXX0RZ!

I think my priest said this once during a homily. (And I totally need that iconated, omg.)

Can't wait for the next installment!

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[info]attolia
2005-03-14 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Loving the recaps!

Minor quibble: wasn't Edward VI the child of Henry by wife #3, Jane Seymour?

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[info]juleskicks
2005-03-14 09:04 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah! *edits*

See, these... are generally written shortly before I go to bed? So on the plus side, I have very few inhibitions and will say pretty much anything. But on the minus side, it's about fifty percent notes from various classes and fifty percent memory? And by that time I'm too lazy to do a lot of fact-checking. So I won't put in something I KNOW is wrong? But there's occasionally a chance that something will slip by. This is why it's good to have fellow history geeks reading it, though -- they can catch stuff like that! *g*

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[info]ginamak
2005-03-14 09:31 pm UTC (link)
ELIZABETH I: *dies a virgin*
[crickets chirp]


Heh. Loving this.

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[info]quextico
2005-03-14 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Thanks so much for sharing your talent, and your uniquely bizarre (and I mean that in the best way possible) sense of humor (and history) with the rest of us!

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[info]magikalcrab
2005-03-15 12:35 am UTC (link)
*sporfles*

ELIZABETH I: *dies a virgin*

[crickets chirp]

Okay, well, no, let's rephrase that.

ELIZABETH I: *dies with NO HEIR OMG!!!!!*


My only question reguarding this that one has yet to answer me is can they *prove* that she never, ever had a child? Really? I mean, even before she was Queen. Cos, I'm sorry, I don't care who you are, in those days, it was entirely probably and seemingly accepted for women to have children at an extremely young age.

/being difficult.

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[info]burntcopper
2005-03-15 05:19 am UTC (link)
Yeah, but as a royal personage, privacy was pretty much non-existent and everyone knew what you were doing. All her affairs and so on from the age of fourteen are pretty well documented, not to mention the royal family in those days didn't deny that any of their kids weren't theirs - they tended to get minor earldoms. And if she had had a kid, even one that was out of wedlock, that kid would've been noted at the very least.

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[info]magikalcrab
2005-03-15 03:24 pm UTC (link)
1. Icon love! I ♥ Sean Bean.

2. That just brought me straight back to high school days where I'd throw out a question or theory just to be difficult in History class and one of my friends (who had heard the argument before) would pick it apart.

Damn it.

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[info]ch1pper
2005-03-17 05:34 pm UTC (link)
There were some rumours of a possible child through the husband of Katherine Parr, Thomas Seymour, with lurid tales of the midwife handing it off to a farmwife in the middle of the night but nothing came of it.

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[info]nolivingman
2005-03-15 05:25 am UTC (link)
PURITANS: *spin so fast in their graves that they could be alternative power resources*

*loves*

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[info]minotaurs
2005-03-15 09:27 am UTC (link)
You really need to put a warning on these. Something along the line of: Totally Not Work Safe, because it will cause you to burst out laughing at the most inappropriate moment, such as in the middle of boring meetings when everyone else except the speaker is snoring.

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[info]dolores
2005-03-15 11:33 am UTC (link)
Bwahahahahaha. Fantastic.

The Kirk's mellowed somewhat since those days, thankfully. Though I can still remember sitting in church as a small child watching the minister going all hellfire and brimstone at the congregation.

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[info]cruisedirector
2005-03-16 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Have been howling all through!

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[info]par_avion
2005-03-17 05:04 pm UTC (link)
I don't know when I last laughed so hard!

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[info]ch1pper
2005-03-17 05:35 pm UTC (link)
yay! SNARK + HISTORY = OMGYOUROCK3RZZZZ!!!

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[info]casirafics
2005-03-22 10:35 am UTC (link)
Just got linked here -- these are fantastic. :)

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[info]sparktastic
2005-03-22 10:54 am UTC (link)
Adding you, cos no historians on flist=bad thing.

*loves this history lesson yaye!*

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[info]mamadeb
2005-03-22 11:17 am UTC (link)
These are all *so* great.

Couple minor quibbles:

Catherine of Aragorn died before Anne Boleyn was executed. So, not really having the last laugh in that case.

And Mary I was big with the burning of Protestants. There are stories of double burnings, with one man acting, well, normally (screaming in pain, begging, being generally hurting) and the other being all saintlike and not seeming to feel anything before he died. Edward IV also burnt a few Catholics. Yes, most were hanged but burning is not just for witches.

(Tudor period is one of my faves - Elizabeth *rocked*)

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[info]mamadeb
2005-03-22 11:19 am UTC (link)
Also. Friended.

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[info]circe_tigana
2005-03-22 11:18 am UTC (link)
These are so awesome.

::glued to screen for more::

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[info]permetaform
2005-03-22 11:23 am UTC (link)
you. rock.

carry on, please. ::bows at your feet::

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[info]morganashkevron
2005-03-22 11:39 am UTC (link)
ANNE BOLEYN: *imprisoned, hed iz pastede off yay!*
CATHERINE OF ARAGON: *still rich, daughter has claim to throne before Anne's daughter, and most importantly, hed still pastede on yay!*

OMG...almost died choking on water at work...too funny

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[info]brekketechie
2005-03-22 12:10 pm UTC (link)
OMG!!! *fangirls everywhere*
I am a historian-in-training and this is fucking brilliant!
Here's my little addition.

JAMES I: *dies*
CHARLES I: *gets crowned*
SCOTTISH PROTESTANTS: *have a bad feeling about this*
CHARLES I: OMG PROTESTANTS R TEH SUXX0RZ!
WILLIAM LAUD: OMG THEY SO ARE!
CHARLES I: *appoints William Laud as archbishop*
A FEW REALLY EXTREME PROTESTANTS: Goddamnit, England. *take their ball and go to Holland*


WILLIAM LAUD: *is evil archbishop*
CHARLES I: Persecute EVERYONE! Give me MONEY!
PARLIAMENT: no, not until you listen to us tell you how much you suck.
CHARLES I: *dissolves Parliament 3 times*
ENGLISH PEOPLE: Your Catholic wife has you totally whipped!
CHARLES I: No she doesn't! *forces new Catholic-lite prayer books on Scotland*
SCOTLAND: Fuck this shit! *civil war*
ENGLISH PEOPLE: *civil war*
CHARLES I: Okay Parliament, tell me how much I suck
PARLIAMENT: *tells him he sucks a lot*
CHARLES I:I don't want to hear it! *arrests people*
ENGLISH PEOPLE:*outrage* This sucks, Charles, you're so whack. You have to go. *tries Charles for treason*
CHARLES I: DAMNIT, England! *beheaded*
OLIVER CROMWELL: I'm in charge of EVERYTHING!! Mwahahaha!


:) This is the best history ever!!!

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[info]carta
2005-03-22 12:43 pm UTC (link)
::dies:: Very funny.

although I don't think Luther was about predestination as much as he was about "through faith and faith alone ye shall be received into the kingdom yadda yadda". Predestination was more Calvinist, methinks. But I am pulling from my confirmation class when I was a wee ames-let, so I may be remembering incorrectly.

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[info]snarkhunter
2005-03-22 12:46 pm UTC (link)
My office mates are going to call the men in white coats for me if I keep snickering at my computer screen as I read this.

That's a compliment. :D

(Wasn't heresy a burning crime, though? Heresy as separate from witchcraft, I mean. My 16th-century British history is a *bit* shaky...)

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[info]viciouswishes
2005-03-22 01:28 pm UTC (link)
These are by far the greatest history lessons ever.

You can't forget to talk about how incest made the royals too stupid to run anything.

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[info]ankhet
2005-03-30 01:27 am UTC (link)
You can't forget to talk about how incest made the royals too stupid to run anything.

To quote Eddie Izzard ("quoting" Prince Charles): "Oh, you're a plumber! What on Earth is that?"

*grin*

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[info]paratti
2005-03-22 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Snerk.

Though Catherine did die before Henry got really annoyed with Anne over the OMG It's a Girl! Where's my Heir, damnit, thing.

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[info]adjectivegirl
2005-03-22 04:01 pm UTC (link)
ANNE BOLEYN: *imprisoned, hed iz pastede off yay!*

Need...icon...badly

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[info]oliverbutton
2005-03-23 01:13 am UTC (link)
RELIGIOUS RIGHT: OMG THIS IS A PURITAN COUNTRY AND MARRIAGE IS A SACRAMENT!!!!
PURITANS: *spin so fast in their graves that they could be alternative power resources*


Oh. My. God.

I ♥ you.

*dies*

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[info]dracothelizard
2005-05-04 02:14 pm UTC (link)
"Except, see, the problem with going to Holland, they found? Was that their children were growing up TEH DUTCH OMG!!!! And there were two things the Puritans hated: people who were intolerant of other people's religions them, and the Dutch."

Haha! *mocks Oliver Cromwell for being a Puritan bastard*

Never really liked the guy, and knowing he didn't like my entire country makes it that much better.

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[info]spazcat101
2005-06-12 07:30 am UTC (link)
Eeee! ::pokes icon:: House! :D

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